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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJonathan Aizen Date: Jan 21, 2004 11:45pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Taper control over their Contributions

Well put Brad, in this post, and your others on this subject.

Provide the replacements, and we will do the replacing. It might take a few weeks for an admin to get to it, but eventually it gets done.

With the next revision of the website (due by end of summer), users will be able to do this themselves.

It is certainly regrettable that some users form misconceptions and based on them decide not to contribute and donate to the public. Fortunately for everyone though, there are enough generous tapers and uploaders that the content continues to roll in at an increasing clip every month. Thank you to everyone involved for making this resource grow, for respecting and working well with one another, and above all, for sharing the music!

Jon

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Poster: thirdofthree Date: Jan 23, 2004 1:22am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Taper control over their Contributions

Jonathan writes:

"It is certainly regrettable that some users form misconceptions and based on them decide not to contribute and donate to the public."

Perhaps a nitpick, or maybe simply a poor choice of words, but I take issue with your statement users/tapers are making decisions based on *misconceptions*. I've found users/tapers fully understand the issues at hand and are making informed decisions. Suggesting those who have made a decision NOT to upload to LMA are doing so because of *misconceptions* simply isn't appropriate, fair, or even true, and serves to marginalize the perfectly valid reasons some users/tapers do not upload recordings to LMA. I believe it would be more appropriate and productive to publicly recognize and respect users/tapers decisions to NOT upload to archive.org rather than attempting to marginalize their decisions by misrepresenting their perspectives on the issues at hand.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJonathan Aizen Date: Jan 23, 2004 1:39am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Taper control over their Contributions

Well said. I had no intentions of marginalizing anyone. Indeed, there are valid reasons that some have presented, but many others have definitely decided not to participate based on misconceptions (such as "uploaders cannot choose whether or not to have MP3s made", which is simply untrue). My statement was in reference to kneejerk reactions, and not to those who have engaged in thoughtful and productive discussion. The voice of reason is always respected.

This post was modified by Jonathan Aizen on 2004-01-23 09:39:33

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Poster: thirdofthree Date: Jan 23, 2004 2:06am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Taper control over their Contributions

Gotcha. I suspected as much, Jonathan - thanks for the clarification.

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Poster: Alex Herd Date: Jan 22, 2004 12:00am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Taper control over their Contributions

All that I am concerned about it that this guy is putting the audio through all these stages to place 1 more track cut, and combine two songs... seems very much like overkill to change a track... I just think people should ask the tapers to do it, it wasnt that big of a deal...

And about the deleating, I think that tapers should have a option. When I first started taping, I put up some sources that are not that great, and I would remove them if I could, becuse better sources exist. I would be willing to bet that if tapers had that option, MANY more would upload... just my 2 cents...

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJonathan Aizen Date: Jan 22, 2004 12:31am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Taper control over their Contributions

The option for users to delete without admin review is not consistent with an archive. In cases like those you mentioned, all you have to do is fill out an error report and it will be taken care of by an administrator. So you do have "an option." The reason for the administrative intervention is to insure that we have at least one copy, even if it's not great. When another, better copy, becomes available, you just request (via an error report) that the inferior one be removed. It's always been that way.

Again, I reiterate Brad's sentiments that you had every right to be alarmed when your transfer, which was fine and dandy, was replaced with an alternate one without consultation.

This post was modified by Jonathan Aizen on 2004-01-22 08:31:01